That Dumpster Fire Debate

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Well, I simply couldn’t let the week go by without at least touching on that dumpster fire of a debate on Tuesday night.

And believe me when I say that I know full well that by doing so, I am dipping my toe into a potentially explosive pool of water. But then, when has that ever stopped me.

I, like the rest of America, watched the debate with dismally low expectations, and left the program emotionally exhausted, and utterly dejected.

Now look, I’m not going to get into the nitty gritty here. If you’re looking for in-depth political commentary, there are a myriad of more highly qualified minds than this noggin to nit pick and fact check every grossly uttered phrase from the three debaters on stage last night — and yes, I’m including Chris Wallace’s horrific and blatantly biased moderation in that, because he clearly had ulterior motives.

And while I would really love to get into the weeds about how Biden avoided answering whether or not he’d pack the Supreme Court; how he never denounced Antifa, and how he completely avoided answering what Hunter did to warrant the mayor of Moscow’s WIFE to gift him 3.5 million dollars…

And not to mention Trump’s ill-worded denouncement of white supremacy….

I’m going to approach the debate from a different point of view.

Is this demonstration of behavior really what we want to be holding up to our children and future generations as “celebrated behavior” – and character to aspire to?

Turning off the debate, I was so demoralized, quite frankly, at just the abject disrespect and disgraceful behavior put on display by both parties — and Chris Wallace, for that matter.

Here you’ve got President Trump, who was being a complete bully — incessantly interrupting Biden, taking reprehensible cheap shots at Joe: bringing up Hunter’s drug problems, calling out Biden’s position in his graduating class: calling him “not smart”; and coming off with simply an air of superiority.

While, Biden – was just completely disrespectful with childish name calling, like you’d find on the middle school play ground. He called President Trump a clown, a racist, “the worst president we’ve ever had,” and at one point, brashly muttering, “Will you shut up, man?“

Are you kidding me? How can we tell our children not to say “shut up,” when our candidate for President is spewing it on national television?

It was downright embarassing for our country. Period.

These are really the men that we want to elect to run our great nation?

What does that communicate to our young people about the values we esteem, and the moral character we champion in this nation?

Look – I know I’m opening up a big ol’ can of worms with that one, and our current President — but that display during the debate was downright disgraceful.

And Chris Wallace was no help. Sure, he was there to moderate, and at times it was like he was trying to hold back snapping rottweilers. But Wallace, himself, set out to debate Trump, and defend Biden – even at one point feeding Biden the answer as he was grasping to remember the question.

It was a shameful display of juvenile energy, all the way around. Any good, intelligent discourse was completely lost on us, due to their petulant behavior and bombastic delivery.

Is it too much to ask for respectful dialogue? Is it too great a request to demand CIVIL exchanges in debates? Sure, I understand that things can get heated, and passions can bring out the bulldog sides of people, but you can communicate your argument without personally attacking the other person.

Honesty. Integrity. Respect. A willingness to listen. An openness to creative compromise and bridge building. A steadfast moral compass.

Is that too much to ask for from our politicians? Politics have become such a hotbed of fierce divisive energy, where differences in ideas or political beliefs translate to personal hatred, distrust, and animosity. When did that ever become okay?

Call me crazy, but I have faith in humanity, that we are able to peacefully coexist, despite political/religious/personal differences.

Romans 14:13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way.

I pray that we can all take the mature step to be willing to listen to others with differing opinions and political beliefs. That we may have the courage to hear one another, and harbor respect and understanding.

And please, God, may that be exemplified by those we are electing to our highest office.

What were your thoughts on the debate?

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167 thoughts on “That Dumpster Fire Debate”

  1. If you didn’t like the debate then it is actually all the more reason to ensure everybody votes. Politicians have always insulted each other. Churchill made some real zingers.
    However to me the problem lies in the refusal to listen or to allow others to speak. Isn’t that what democracy is about?- the right for everybody to have a voice. I respectfully suggest people ensure their voices are heard at the ballot box.
    Churchill ( I realise he had his issues too.)was once asked for a 2p coin, so that a political rival could call a friend.
    His response was”Here’s 4p call both of them.”

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    1. Thank you for sharing that! Yes – voting is really important, now more than ever! And i agree – everyone needs a voice. interesting! i should do some research on Churchill. truthfully, i do not know as much as i should! Hugs and love xox

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  2. I didn’t watch the debate. I will vote for the candidate whose policies most closely align with God’s standards and keep praying that this country turns around… but it doesn’t turn around at the federal level. It turns around on the ground level, when families get down on their knees to repent and praise and pursue God. The entire atmosphere would change.

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    1. thank you Linda – you truly didn’t miss much. I agree – i pray that God put into office the leader who will uphold Christian values, and respect all life — from conception to natural death! amen – it starts in the home. i so so so SO agree!!!!!!!!! Hugs and love xox

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  4. I am currently caring for my mom who is the beginning stages of dementia. She wanted to watch the debate but 15 minutes in I had to change it because she was getting so agitated. This will probably be her last Presidential election and she can’t even sit to see who she might consider electing because the candidates all upset her so much.

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    1. oh Joseph, I am so sorry to heart that. know that your mom will be in my prayers, as well as you, as you care for her. hang in there my friend. Hugs and love xox

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  5. I was embarrassed as well! Having two grown men acting like children made our country look bad. I was def disappointed in Biden! I hoped he would model something Presidential and he got frustrated. As for Trump, he is like that in every interview and tweet, so we expected that behavior from him. This country needs the media to start reporting facts and not political opinion. Without them being unbiased, people can’t make a sound decision. Media isn’t supposed to cover the trail, but is supposed to print truth do the citizens can remove nonfunctioning or dis functional leadership!

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    1. You’re right – America lost. it was an embarassment for us on the global stage, that is for sure. and you are SO RIGHT – we need a NONBIASED media without a political agenda. it is disgusting, to be honest. Hugs and love xox

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  6. You have the right solution. We shouldn’t pass judgment. Those of us who are Christians must love our political opponents as well as our favoured candidates. Love is the only way forward, it really is.

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    1. thank you so much Penny – you’re right – living a Christian life requires love. Love for every single person! it really is! Hugs and love xox

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  7. I walked away from the debate feeling dejected also. I didn’t watch any of my usual news commentators for the rest of the week because I didn’t have the energy to listen to clips rehashing that mess all week! I thought your review of all three was fair. Bad behavior all around on their parts. Sad.

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    1. truly dejected. i feel you. we don’t need that negative energy in our lives! smart to tune them out! Hugs and love xox

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  8. Btw, “when has that ever stopped me” is a question requiring a “?”.
    Just sayin’ “Punctuation save lives” as in “Let’s eat gramma” vs “Let’s eat, gramma.” :-))))

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  9. You compared it to a “junior high school yard,” but I think that was showing both candidates too much respect. I thought it sounded more like a kindergarten class where all the kids were having temper tantrums and the teacher has lost control of everything.
    God help us!

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    1. Hi Michael, thank you for sharing your thought on this. you’re right – kindergarten is much more accurate! hhaha Hugs and love xox

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  10. Could not agree more. Who won the debate? Nobody — and least of all, not the American people who might’ve hoped to see something they could respect, regardless whom they support or who ultimately wins the election. Good job with this post!

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  11. Carolyn respectful debate in my opinion , should stick to the issues and not unsubstantiated personal attacks. Personally I dislike the constant unproven references to dementia. The passing of time often teaches us things. I often lookback at my own comments and wonder how I ever used to believe certain things. Respectful debate starts with us.

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    1. i think you’re right about that – debate can be healthy and productive for sure! just not when they sink to personally attacking their opposite debator!!! thanks for stopping by! Hugs and love xox

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  13. To the point! What we hoped to see and hear was not what we got! With all the hype and pre-fight buildup by myriads of talking heads, both men came out with full testosterone levels ready to butt heads! Most folks have already picked their favorite and hoped theirs would still be standing after the initial meeting. The year 2020 has left us a complicated mess to work through. Our decision will be whether we want to continue our founding principles of individual freedom, individual responsibility, and self-accountability, or do we want America to move toward socialism so that the government decides our lives for us. There is no easy answer and prayer is the only way to reach a true decision with God’s guidance. For 240 years, Americans have fought and died for our love of freedom and I pray it was not in vain! Vote as your heart tells you!

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    1. Thank you so much Al! I agree – it was a gross display of arrogance. amen – prayer is the only way! Hugs and love xox

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      2. Probably… somehow I doubt it’d make much difference, like I said, they do that with everything. Trump may not know, or he may, but he can’t exactly stop them, I find it horrid, but it’s the medical field that’s to blame.

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  16. I agree it’s pretty pathetic for debators to get so out of hand.
    But someone made the point on another forum I was on that this debate, or any debate this year, is not really about debate at all.
    I sympathize with Trump more, he knew the moderator was trying to slam him, so I can’t blame him for not really feeling he would be taken seriously. That may not be an excuse to do a bad job, but I think Trump and Biden are both aware that no matter what they say, the media will make a joke and a horse and pony show out of the whole thing, people will blindly defend either side, and at this point, we are really just watching a cockfight.
    It’s become much more like a rap battle, who can roast who better?
    Is it stupid? Yes.
    But it makes sense, our culture does everything for the memes, and what will trend on the internet, the shift in format is all I’d expect from people who want to get air time. They are playing the game they feel they have to play.
    That said, I think Trump makes better decisions overall that don’t get fairly covered by the News, or don’t even get mentioned. I’ve always felt his TV personna to be an act to get publicity, and I understand why people don’t like it, but I think we all know, he’d never get coverage fairly from the media anyway, and creating sensations is his best way to ensure airtime. Like Gordon Ramsey does in Hell’s Kitchen.
    The percentage of people who will actually make informed decisions while voting is at an all time low, so getting the votes by getting attention does make sense, albeit it gets ugly.
    I guess I’m saying I don’t hate the player, I hate the game. Even Biden seems tired of this charade, but what choice does he have, clearly it’s what’s expected of him.
    As for Trump, what choice does he have either? He could give the calmest, most rational statement, and people would still twist it out of context. Someone surveyed college students, and quoted Democrats to them, but told them it was Trump, and all the students took the worst possible interpretation of the quotes…until they found out who actually said it, then they changed their tune. I have a feeling the same would happen with Republicans.
    So, yeah… it’s a dumpster fire, and goodness knows media wants to keep it that way.

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    1. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this. This election is really going to be a doosey. I pray that it is smooth and i pray for our future leader! Hugs and love xox

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  18. You offer a very balanced view of the debate and I appreciated you bringing the moderator into your analysis. His failure to do the job let the dumpster fire go out of control, not that it wasn’t already inflamed by male supremacy/toxicity and, yes, juvenile behaviour. While I’m from Canada, I take your elections seriously as your country is our most important neighbour. Stay safe and well.

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    1. Thank you so much Steve for sharing your thoughts on this. I agree – the debate really needed to have some law and order — no pun intended!!! you too, stay safe and well! Hugs and love xox

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  19. Don’t worry, Trump won’t win there
    The reason we are telling you here
    Our imaginations accurate
    We believe very here.

    Reason One: Change the policy quickly
    Second reason: he failed in the Corona era
    Third reason: they needlessly speak more
    Fourth reason: China should not punish Corona
    Fifth reason: Indians upset by the visa policy are there
    Fifth Reason: Increased unemployment in the Corona period
    Sixteenth reasons: to have intention of promoting own business more than the country
    Seventh Reason: Not playing a decisive role in the war that is going on.
    Eighth reason: home piercing
    Nava Reason: No effect in the world
    The tenth reason: threatening India in the Corona era
    Due to medicine.

    This idea is my personal
    If I were a citizen there
    Promotes opposition and
    Could have won his candidate.
    🙏

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      1. Woww
        आपने समय निकाला
        हमारे शब्दो के लिए
        बहुत आभारी हम आपके
        नतमत्सक हम आज हुए यहा।।

        Woww
        You took time
        For our words
        We are very thankful to you
        We were here today.

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      3. सबका दिल होता लाल हैं
        आपका सुनहरा क्यो यहा
        एक कहानी याद आ रही
        क्या बतला सकते हम यहां।।

        दो अनुमति लिखे कहानी
        पोस्ट आपकी हैं यहा
        दिल सुनहरा नाम कहानी
        क्या लिख सकते हैं यहा।।

        Everyone’s heart is red
        Why is your golden here
        Missing a story
        What can we say here?

        Write two permission story
        The post is yours
        Heart golden name story
        What can I write here?

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  20. Caralyn: I am sorry to say that I don’t share your belief that we can all get along based on who we are as human beings. We are all judgmental, have prejudices, and Scripture says that the human heart is of all things the most deceitful thing there is. We are told that there is “none that is good, not one”. I know that with the indwelling of the Spirit that we can be better than we are left to our own inclinations, but we are still fallen creatures capable of almost anything. How I wish you were right about that, but I don’t think that is the view the Bible paints of us as humans. I love your thoughtfulness and your high hopes for humanity, but if there is anything I’ve learned over my decades of life it is that if you hope for the best from everyone across the board you will be largely disappointed and will feel betrayed. That sounds horribly pessimistic, I know, and I’m not knocking your for your hopefulness – it is a beautiful quality to have! I just fear that you will be grossly disappointed. It won’t be until Christ returns that we’ll finally all get along the way God intended from the beginning. THANK YOU for what you do!

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    1. Thank you Galen for sharing your thoughts on this. You bring up some really powerful and hard truths. Amen – we’ve got to wait until Heaven! Hugs and love xox

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  21. A Debate is supposed to be a formal discussion on any particular subject, where opposing arguments are put forward. Not a verbal dogfight with jib Jab, innuendos and name calling. To be precise Trash Talking. My Mother was a great Teacher, when a conversation got to that level, she would look at you intensely, let you talk yourself out of breath. Then got up and walked away, without a word you knew she thought you were a fool. As far as getting along with People, It’s just a Cordial approach to being Civilized. Not being Antagonistic and Bombastic, once again Mom would say ” Get off your high Horse. Maybe I am Unique but I got along with John Gutfreund ( The King of Wall Street) as well as I treat and respect an Indigent Person, not knowing how he fell through the cracks. I get along with Christians, Muslims,Jews, Catholics and Witness, I can even have a Debate with an Atheist without calling him Satan as I’ve been called by someone trying to convert me , God Bless.

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    1. Thank you Anthony for sharing your thoughts on this. I so agree – a dogfight is no way to have a productive conversation! Sounds like your mother is a great teacher indeed! Hugs and love xox

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