13 Reasons Why: Watch Your Thoughts

[This post discusses topics such as suicide and sexual assault. We can all help prevent suicide. If you are having suicidal thoughts, please call the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline 1-800-273-8255. You are not alone.]

I’m sitting here and my hands are shaking.

I am outraged.

Honestly, this may be the first time I am at a loss for words. Well, maybe the opposite…

I just finished watching the second season of 13 Reasons Why. And I have SO MANY THOUGHTS

I wrote about the show when the first season came out last year, and the title of that outspoken piece was called, “The Negligence of 13 Reasons Why” if that gives you any inkling of my position on the show. And I highly encourage you to read it before you go on.

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But basically, as a refresher, it was a Netflix series, produced by Selena Gomez, geared towards teens, that all but glorified suicide. It told the story of a teenage girl, Hannah, who took her own life, and left behind these 13 cassette tapes that blamed 13 people as to why they contributed to her decision to take her life.

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It was incredibly controversial, not only for the subject matter, but for the disturbingly graphic scene that showed her committing suicide. And then, after it s release, the tragic result of “copycat” suicides that occurred.

They claimed that they were setting out to start a conversation. I call BS, and shake my head at the sheer negligence and irresponsible decision making skills on the part of Netflix, as well as Selena Gomez.

So why, then, did I watch Season 2?

Because I wanted to be part of the dialogue. This show is having an incredible impact on teens and touches on a mental health topic matter that is akin to eating disorders, and so I wanted to know what is influencing our culture.

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I’m going to just go out and say what needs to be said.

Do not watch Season 2 of 13 Reasons Why.

Don’t let your mailman watch it. Don’t let your dog watch it. But especially, don’t let your kids watch it. Do not expose them to the dark and disturbing images that this negligent show is impressing upon the viewers.

It is rated TV-MA for a reason.

I have just so many thoughts. So many thoughts. My brain is going a mile a minute, so I apologize in advance, this may not be as well put together as I would like.

First and foremost: The absolute most harmful aspect, in my opinion, about Season 2, was Hannah, the Spirit

Yes, you read that correctly. Hannah – the main character who took her life in Season 1 – comes back in Season 2 from the afterlife and “interacts” with her love interest, Clay, to the point where they almost kiss.

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This is just so problematic.

First, a little set up. The entire storyline of season 2 is the aftermath of Hannah’s suicide. The whole show is centered around a trial: her parents have filed a lawsuit against Hannah’s school, trying to hold them accountable for her death. So as a result, every kid/adult/teacher etc, on the tapes has to testify in this widely publicized trial. The news is covering it, people are writing blogs about it, the kids keep talking about her, and reliving the past, and obsessing about the details of her suicide.

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Interesting story line, right?

WRONG.

This is just awful. Awful. This is hammering the harmful perception of “celebrity” or “notoriety” that can be so devastatingly influential to kids at risk of suicide. Season 1 was bad enough – that after her death, the entire school was still fixated with her death because of the cassette tapes. Now in season 2, they’ve included the whole city and internet, captivated by her death.

Couple that with the fact that Hannah keeps appearing to Clay, and having him profess his love for her, and conversing with her in his mind — it erases the lethality and finality of suicide.

When a person commits suicide, they are no longer alive. Period. There is no “Romeo and Juliet” love story that can occur between them and their crush. There is no more communication with friends. There is no more connection or physical touch. They are gone.

And this show – it is infuriating how carelessly and just blatantly negligent it is to portray the victim of a suicide, still communicating and having relations with their loved ones.

And then with the world – and media – revolving around her and the intricate details of that time before her death – it is making Hannah into the cover model of People Magazine, or the headline of Page 6, rather than AN OBITUARY WHERE SHE SHOULD BE.

I just can’t. I am so angry I need to get up and take a walk for a minute. Excuse me.

OK, I’m back.

This season felt like they were trying to tackle, head on, every single major issue facing teens today, in the most graphic and in-you-face, get-people-talking way possible.

There was drug abuse and addiction; rape; sexual assault; homophobic assault; teens “coming out” for the first time;  gun violence; self-harm; homelessness; bullying; cyber bullying; vandalism; teen pregnancy; hazing; suicide; school shooting; heroin detox.

If you think reading that list was exhausting, imagine watching – in graphic depiction – those topics.

The most disturbing scene in the season was when this outcast boy was ganged up on in the boy’s bathroom at school. And this is a highly graphic description, so please be warned. The four jocks repeatedly slammed his head into the sink, and then dragged his nearly unconscious body to a bathroom stall where they kicked and beat on him while flushing his head down the toilet 5 or six times. And then finally, sexually assaulted him by repeatedly ramming a broom handle up his rectum. This scene lasted for two minutes. And it ended with him naked, buttocks exposed, lifeless over the toilet, with the top 12 inches of the broom handle covered in blood.

This boy would then go on to bring a rapid-fire assault rifle to the school dance.

I’m sorry for that description. But that is what this show was. It was horrific to watch.

And what made it so sickening to me, was that it was being targeted to teens.

It just makes me sick.

Selena Gomez is a producer of the show. Kids and teens worship her. They idolize her every move. They buy what she’s wearing, listen to her music, and watch what she slaps her name on.

No “TV-MA” rating is going to keep them from doing so.

Next, the other thing about it was that the show made it seem like this heinous behavior was normal. They were portraying that, every kid is excessively sexually active in high school. Making it seem that heroine addiction is a common occurrence, and bullying to the point of anal penetration with a janitorial tool is what happens at every school. Oh yeah – and that kids have unlimited access to guns and assault rifles.

They were depicting a desolate reality that frankly is not the norm. And making is seem like it is is SO IRRESPONSIBLE.

It makes kids think, “Oh, well, there must be something wrong with me if I’m not sleeping with 2 or 3 different partners in one night as a sixteen year old kid.” Or that they’re a loser for not drinking or doing drugs like the “cool kids” are doing in the series.

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This is not what we should be putting out there for our kids to watch and mull over and think and talk about. 

Sure, it starts a conversation, but it completely destroys them and their innocence in the process.

And yeah, kids aren’t naive. I’m not dumb. But it is just so disgustingly ironic – the behaviors and patterns that they are trying to prevent, are the exact same behaviors and patterns that they are perpetuating by glorifying them on their show!!

It is just so counterproductive. And harmful.

I turned off the show, and all I could think about was this one very specific thing:

“Whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable — if anything is excellent or praiseworthythink about such things.” Philippians 4:8

When I was in high school, I had this beautiful mosaic mirror in my bedroom, and on it was written that verse.

And after watching such highly disturbing material on TV for the last several hours, it was as though God was reminding me that I need to be filling my mind with pure, good things that point to Him, not the garbage and filth this world is producing.

That’s the thing. God was excluded from the dialogue. Hannah’s parents in the show were openly “untrusting” of the church and made that clear when they were planning her memorial service.

If 13RW really want to start a productive dialogue about those horrible things, why not include the one thing – the One Person – who can truly turn things around?

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Arrogantly shoving God out of the storyline in 13RW does such a horrible disservice to anyone truly needing help from suicidal thoughts, bullying, self harm, rape, etc.

And the only other mention of God was by the student body president who claimed to be a Christian, but ended up literally having the word “HYPOCRITE” spray painted on the back of his car, after he lied about the rape.

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God is not the enemy.

And perhaps, if we were to put true, admirable, pure, excellent material out into the world for teens to watch and emulate, the world might be a better place.

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Filling our minds, and the minds of our future generation, with a bleak, disturbing portrayal of “teenage reality” does nothing more than throwing a cow into a field of mud and telling it to eat.

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13 Reasons Why, you have been a detriment to our teens. And Selena Gomez, shame on you for endorsing this negligent material, when you know full well the impressionable age range of your fans. I pray that those watching will decide to turn it off, before the damage is done.

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320 thoughts on “13 Reasons Why: Watch Your Thoughts

  1. The topics associated with this series is definitely not something we want to encourage to our already troubled teens. Being a teen is extremely difficult and unstable day to day. It’s a time we all go through in our lives, our hormones are imbalanced causing all sorts of thoughts and actions. The biggest factor in my opinion regarding the all time high rates of mental health and other serious matters are solely based on the current state of affairs of our world. Teens now are dealing with so much more issues in their everyday lives that they feel powerless about. Feeding them these very negative and in some sort of twisted justifiable way is poison more so than a remedy.

    Thank you for sharing, I have not watched but I’ve been meaning to. After reading your article I am certain I won’t be watching it.

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    1. Thank you friend. Yeah teens have so many things they have to wrestle through. My heart goes out to them. Hugs and love xox

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  2. Thank you for sharing these truths about that horrid show. Praying that it falls apart. May it be shielded of the generations to come and those now. Ugh. I watched the first episode in season 1 and it didn’t sit right in my spirt. I told my teenage daughter she was NOT allowed to watch it. And after reading this I’m sooo glad the Holy Spirit prompted me to keep her away. Oh that our next generation would rise up in truths of the wickedness of this world. And may God bless and use more influencers like yourself to shed light to these awful shoes. God bless you! ❤️

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  3. I watched Season 1 because it was I also wanted to be able to join the conversation with my adult children when they talk about it. I wanted to watch Season 2 hoping for a happy ending, but when I did, I was extremely disappointed. The story became so twisted and disturbing as it depicted teenagers as sexually promiscuous and capable of extreme violence. Maybe it aimed to be socially relevant with the issues of mental health and gun violence but in a totally unhelpful way. I am an adult and this is how I feel about it. It is worrying how a younger audience would feel and react if they ever watch this.Thank you for an honest review of this show.

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    1. I so agree, Dehl. It was so disturbing. I’m not naive – there is promiscuity and bullying in teen life, but the “normal reality” they depicted was taken WAY to the furthest extreme!! Thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts on this. Hugs and love xox

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  4. I was in a real dark place not so long ago. I considered some very dark things. I think 13RW was good because it got people talking about it. Nobody should deal with that kind of thing alone. Kids have been dealing with these issues in silence and if it wakes people up and gets them talking that can only be a good thing. I know 13RWS2 was hard viewing but the important things can’t always be easy. Sometimes hard discussions need to be had.

    FYI the book is brilliant.

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    1. Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. I’m sorry to hear that you were having a rough season. You’re right – the tough conversations are the important ones. Hugs and love xox

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  5. I feel a bit sick reading this as I have a teen who feels under pressure to have a perfect life on social media and also struggles with feeling excluded to the point of having suicidal thoughts. This sounds like it could really tip some teens over the brink. I don’t like the idea 13 reasons why. In the end, you have to take responsibility for your own actions. There was a suicide in the local school recently and the worst thing for everyone was the sense of loss. A beautiful unique person had gone and the kids had to come to terms with the fact that they couldn’t communicate any more – no more kind words and no taking back harsh ones.

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    1. Gosh, yeah I am so sorry to hear that. How tragic. You’re right – it is a final, nonretractable decision that leaves everyone devastated. Hugs and love xox

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  6. Caralyn, I would watch out if I were you. If Selena Gomez is all that you write about here, she will probably get wind (beyond your rising popularity). After all, she does CLAIM to be Christian, but I don’t imagine you’ll be besty’s with her in a week after this. I’m not trying to say anything. Just…I’ve met people in my life who are not very nice, and the world really is a small place.

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  7. I watched season 1…to be honest the rape scenes to me were worse than the suicide scene. I couldn’t stand to watch them. They went too far that I can’t remotely think it damaged the actors doing that. I did read they needed emotional support dogs while filming. I understand sexual assualt or rape really damages a woman which may lead to suicide…I don’t need it graphically pointed out as part of the plot.

    I was not planning on watching season 2. Mostly because it didn’t solve anything when it came to suicide prevention or invoke God or even love from somebody into the conversation. It was like some nilihistic high school were nothing but apathy, death, destruction, and woe happens. High school usually has some fun times to it too.

    In fact I just cut Netflix…there are better uses of my time than giving money to that.

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    1. thank you for sharing your thoughts on this Earl. Yeah it was incredibly graphic and disturbing. something that is seared in my mind. yeah i think that was a wise decision to cut your subscription. honestly after them greenlighting such a harmful show, i don’t want to put any more money in their pocket either. Hugs and love xox

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  8. Thank you for your work on this issue. I keep thinking about your “I call BS” comment; until more and more of us do that very thing, the mess our kids get exposed to will never improve. Growing up is hard enough for them as it is. Prayers and good wishes from Kentucky– Mike

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    1. thank you so much Mike for sharing your thoughts on this. I think you’re so so right about that. we need to be diligent about what they’re exposed to. the crap out there on the internet is the wild wild west and they’ve literally got access to it from their pockets. Hugs and love xox

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  9. I only saw part of season one, but I think you’re absolutely correct. The whole time I kept thinking – this could honestly give people the wrong idea. I had a friend who was suicidal and though she didn’t go through with it (thank goodness), I could see how a show like 13 Reasons Why could give her a glorified validation of her actions.

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  10. I wanted to thank you so much for sharing this! I haven’t watched to show but from what you’ve described, I am soo disgusted. It’s horrifying to think that this sort of material is out there for kids to just pick up and watch.
    Yeah it may start some conversations, but honestly, what if it doesn’t? This kid/teen/adult now has these images embedded into their mind and heart.
    What happens when there is a kid/teen/adult that has some confidence issues/lack of trust/or suicidal thoughts and then starts thinking about this sort of thing? I know that Selena Gomez and others have said that this show was meant to raise awareness for suicide, but in reality, it shows the hurting person that this is a way out, and you’ll even get some attention for doing it.
    This is so crazy and so incredibly sad.
    And what you said about the show erasing the totality and finality of suicide is so completely true!! It is very sad that this isn’t shown in the show.
    Thank you so much for your time in writing this out!

    Blessings,
    Aubrey

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    1. Thank you so much Aubrey for sharing your thoughts on this. It really is completely horrifying. So true. Hugs and love xox

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  11. Thank You for this. I did watch it, as well. Sitting back and being a being a bullied kid, myself, I thought, “Wow, If I had watched this back then, I would not be here now.” Honestly, I may have been one of the “Copycats”. I don’t think people that makes these shows really truly care about the people they are targeting. Instead, they care about the political statements they make.

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    1. Oh gosh, I’m so sorry to hear that you were bullied growing up. That makes my heart hurt, because you did not deserve that. You bring up such a great point. They need to take more responsibility for what they’re putting out there. Hugs and love xox

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  12. Thank you so much for writing about this! I, too, am writing a post about it. I agree 100%. Having an 8th grader right now, this really woke the Mama Bear in me! We have got to get the word out!!

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  13. Thanks so much for this post. I’ve debated watching the show and haven’t yet. While I want to be part of the conversation, I’m not sure I could stomach sitting through season 1, let alone season 2, for the numerous reasons you present in your post. It’s too bad that they have chosen to use their platform this way, instead of pointing out the finality of suicide and how to keep someone from taking their own life when we recognize the signs.

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    1. Yeah, it was a really disturbing show. If they really wanted to create content that actually helped, they would have gone about it much much much differently. Hugs and love xox

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  14. I couldn’t agree more. You don’t start constructive conversations about dangerous behavior by glorifying it. Also agree with you that what is missing is the truth and hope found in Jesus. Thanks for shining light!

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  15. Thank heaven’s you wrote this and spared me those graphic scenes that would have been hard to get out of my mind. Thank you

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    1. Thank you so much Bethany. Yeah it was so disturbing and graphic. glad you stopped by. Hugs and love xox

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  16. Listen, I am a grown adult and my husband and I after a few episodes in BOTH started to feel depressed. I turned it off and don’t think I’ll even be watching the rest of the season. It’s just too much. The presence of Hannah’s “spirit” just makes it worse. I thought it was just me. You hit this thing on the head.

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    1. thank you for sharing that, Stephanie. You’re so right – too much. I know – it was so difficult to watch. Hugs and love xox

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  17. I watched the second season. Due to recent events in our world, the last episode was hard to watch. Too real and too close to home for me. The bathroom scene almost made me throw up. As I read your article, I thought to myself – if you’re going to have a series that motivates conversations, you HAVE to SHOW that there’s a better way to handle whatever storm you’re facing. Wish someone out there would have a copycat show titled “13 Reasons WHY You Shouldn’t. There’s not enough being said about THE ONE (like you said) who can give you the strength to overcome the crap the world throws at you. HIS love never fails, so why are we so afraid to say/share it?

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    1. Yeah it was incredibly hard to watch for sure. Yeah, it gave me a pit in my stomach too. Amen! it never fails! Hugs and love xox

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  18. I procrastinated in responding to this post because I do not agree with your perspective and before I responded, I wanted to make sure I did not express simply emotional outrage. In some ways, I had to wonder if you were not presenting a counter argument to watching it because you maybe feel that many people will do exactly the opposite of what is suggested to verify if you are right. I truly believe you motivated more people to watch it by saying don’t watch it.

    I have to say you must have binge watched it too. I started watching it the day or day after it came out and was on the 2nd or 3rd episode when you announced you had watched the entire season. Wow, I thought.

    Are there some things I don’t like in the season 1 and season 2, absolutely? As a father of 5, 3 of them girls, I truly was grateful for the topic 13 reasons presented. It gave me grounds to talk to my girls, really only one is still in school, but it gave me a foundation to talk. Maybe I did not have to talk about her directly, but we could talk about the show, what influenced her, what she found informative, what did she identify with and so on.

    I heard a lot about glorifying suicide, for some reason it never came across to me like that. I heard about the copycat suicides, and I emphasize with that totally, but in all my years of life, we have always had “copycats” of something that is awful that our news industry would report. They even tried to say video games motivated kids to do change their behavior and do rotten things” Yet, when we watch prime time TV, even cartoons, there are so many things kids are exposed to which we could all claim influence their behavior. I mean, they are advertising ED medicine during dinnertime, they had condom commercials on TV with a guy and a girl placed chest to chest and then graphically have them partially overlap each other. There is just so much, like drinking is glorified, violence in glorified. This is where I like 13 reasons, maybe, maybe it glorifies it some, but the topic and the drama is real and brings a topic out of the shadows and to the forefront so we, like you, me, my kids and all the people who witness this blog can share their feelings, experiences and all of this goes to hopefully help those that need help to get it, rather than for us to sit on the sidelines wishing we could of done something.

    God Bless!

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    1. Hi friend. Thank you so much for sharing your perspective on 13RW. I appreciate hearing your POV as a parent. I’m glad that the program was beneficial for you and your family. It definitely brought a lot of critical issues to light. Thanks for the food for thought. Hugs and love xox

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      1. Glad we are friends, I appreciate you very much. Nice to hear from you! God Bless you!!

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  19. Beautiful post! I work at a mental health agency, so this show is a hot topic around the workplace with some taking the same position as you and others not. I think the most important thing the show does is start a conversation whether good or bad. I’ve known friends and family that I’ve lost due to suicide so this show is probably one of the most personal shows I’ve ever watched.

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    1. Thank you Mo. I’m sure it is a huge topic of convo in your field. Gosh I’m so sorry to hear that t hits so close to home. Sending lots of love. Xox

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  20. Thank God you wrote this. I had exactly these thoughts that the second season was worse than the first and the way it ended, it would do more harm than good. I wanted to write something like this on my blog but did not thinking that I don’t quite understand the American society as an American would. But coming from you with such honesty is definitely a pleasant surprise. I am also so happy that you are a believer of Christ, like myself and that you use your blogging platform to proclaim the truth. I was so hurt by her parents’ stand on the church and yet they wanted a service in her name in the Church. If this isn’t hypocrisy, what is? Thank you again. Such a delight to read from a fellow believer.

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    1. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts on this. I’m so glad it resonated with you. Yeah such a harmful show to be out there for kids and adults alike. Hugs and love xox

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  21. I don’t have Netflix, but if I did there would be No way I would allow a teenager to watch that TV programme after what you wrote about it
    We all need to complain to Netflix rather than allow such trash to continue Christains need to take a stand against programmes like this
    We need to be bold as you have been, bless you for your continued fight as a Christian

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  22. “13 Reasons Why” was on my list to watch on Netflix, but you’ve convinced me to remove it. I’m not the target audience, but just wanted to see what the “buzz” was about, but I felt you’re frustration and disgust in this post. It appears that God is being excluded from popular culture…period. People are becoming less and less religious with each generation, and atheism seems to be on the rise. I don’t know if this is an agenda by Hollywood to push this message, or Hollywood is simply mirroring society. There will always be a counter argument, people echoing “well, don’t watch it”, and if that’s their argument, fine. But, personal responsibility has to come into the equation at some point, and what we consume on a regular basis will begin to shape who we are as a person.

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  23. I have boycotted this show from the get go. The whole premise makes suicide appear to be an act of revenge, and I think there is already enough of that out there. The instinct for survival is one of the strongest we have, and we only get past that barrier when our pain becomes so deep and all encompassing that oblivion is preferable. I have not ever been actually suicidal, but I have felt that kind of pain. Victim blaming helps nothing and nobody.

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    1. Yeah I don’t blame you. It is doing so much harm and people don’t even realize! I’m sorry that the show huts so close to home. Sending so much love and Hugs xox

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  24. I wish I had read this before I watched season two. I did watch one and felt the same way you did about it. It’s irresponsible. I watched the second season and to say I was shocked would be an understatement. I was in pieces.
    I agree with most of what you say with the exception of one thing. Heroin addiction among teens is at pandemic proportions in our country. The average overdose death is early to mid twenties. My son was 25 when he died.
    Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I hope it prevents some young people from watching the show.

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    1. Oh Veronica, I wish i could be giving you a big hug right now. my heart breaks reading this. i am so sorry for your loss, my dear friend. I cannot begin to imagine the pain you’ve endured. Yes – we need prayers and the media to be more responsible for the content they are putting out there for our impressionable youth. Sending so much love to you friend. Thank you for sharing your story. xoxooxoxoxox

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