Beer Hall Banter

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So a funny thing happened on the way to the forum…

JK.

If you get that joke, consider yourself a musical theater geek.

(You’re in good company here) 🙂

Clearly, I’m in a mood tonight.

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This weekend was one for the books, y’all.

Let’s just say, I ended Saturday night at a Brazilian dance bar/tin roofed lean-to/shanty in the heart of Brooklyn that was cash only, blasting latin pop music, and decorated in a way that would make Bob Marley proud.


The drinks were strong, but not nearly as strong as the staunch body odors wafting through the tightly packed dance floor.

But surprisingly, that was not the most noteworthy part of my night.

Rewind about 6 hours. At a beer hall with my friends. We were with a group of about 20, but I found myself at an intimate table in the back with 3 of my friends and one of their colleagues. Three boys and two girls.

And I found myself and my gal pal ( 🙂 ) listening to a heated debate the boys were having about…religion.

“Religion is dead in America.” “It’s nothing more than organized hope.” “It’s designed to just control people.” “Full of bigots and racists.”

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Yeah. It was uncomfortable. Tense. One guy was sticking up for faith, and the colleague was on the attack.

I mean, my friends are New Yorkers. They are not “religious.” I would refer to them as secular. Nothing wrong with that! I love them, they respect my faith, I don’t try to push it on them, it’s just kind of a non-issue. So I was quite surprised when this passionate argument was breaking out across the table.

I stayed out of the debate…but it definitely stuck with me.

And in the cab ride back to the city, I couldn’t help but replay that conversation in my mind.

“Religion is dead in America.”

There are times – and this is one of them – that I have to remember where I live.

New York City is not a microcosm of the United States as a whole. It is an entity unto itself. A unique beast, if you will.

This really struck me – visually – as my cab was crossing over the Brooklyn Bridge. It’s like this other-worldly, threatening, mass of buildings rises from the water. The island of Manhattan is a force to be reckoned with. From the backseat of my cab, I truly appreciated how stunning it is, especially at night with the twinkling lights. Outside my window was an iconic snapshot.

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But it is not a snapshot of the rest of the country.

Religion – and faith – is not dead.

I’m just living in a city where it’s harder to see.

But, I’m going to be really honest. Thinking back to how that conversation played out, I felt really convicted.

I could have refuted their claims and fought back and really presented my case. I could have sent a strong message. I could have done or said a lot of different things….but I didn’t.

I just kept my mouth shut. I rationalized it in my head that, Oh, I’m not even in this conversation. They’re talking religion and politics…not something I want to entangle myself in.

But coming home, I realized…I am part of the problem.

How am I living my faith?

Sure, my friends know I go to church every Sunday and that I am a Christian. But Jeez Louise, my friend’s colleague hangs out with us for one night and proclaims that “religion is dead?!” Clearly, I am not doing my job very well.

Maybe I need to be a little more outspoken. I always say that I try to show my faith in my actions rather than tell my faith in my words. But perhaps I need to speak up a little bit.

Politeness and being quiet, that doesn’t encourage others who may also feel like they’re alone in their beliefs and therefore can’t speak up.

I don’t know where this is going…I kind feel like this is the scene from Les Mis where they’re barricading the Parisian streets singing, “Do you hear the people sing, singing the songs of angry men…”

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Boy, I really am a musical theater nerd.

I’m not trying to start a revolution here. But I do feel personally responsible for this guy’s perception that faith is dead.

So I’m going to take a long, hard look at how I’m living my life. Because, Leapin’ Lizzards, if someone can literally be sitting across a table from me and proclaim that, then something’s gotta change.

Wearing a cross necklace just isn’t going to cut it anymore.

Not in today’s cultural climate. Not when there’s so much at stake…

Now, please excuse me as I go and listen to some show tunes and order a WWJD bracelet.

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308 thoughts on “Beer Hall Banter”

  1. I definitely relate to this. I lived in Boston for a time and am now in DC. The only places more godless are probably New York and LA. It’s not that people have their opinions and beliefs in places like this, it’s that they can’t even imagine that people who think or believe otherwise exist, or if they do, that they’re good people.

    It’s a struggle, because you don’t want to alienate people, but if someone refuses to be friends with you because you might disagree with them about religion, so be it.

    And you are right to keep in mind that New York City is not the entirely of America…even though New Yorkers think it is!

    Again, great read. Thank you for posting.

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    1. Hey friend! you’re right – definitely a struggle. but i just try to live with the joy and peace that comes from Christ, and even if people may not know the blatant source, i hope that they can feel that in how i treat them and live, and perhaps they will ask or at least wonder the “why” of it all. you know what i mean? you’re right – NYC is great, but not the be all end all. thanks for your encouraging words! hugs xox

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      1. Absolutely! Live the way you do and people will be able to tell. And maybe they’ll want to know the “why” of it: “Why are you so happy and at peace?” “Why do things seem to work out for you?” People will wonder.

        And I didn’t mean to disparage NYC; I used to love visiting there and I hope to go again soon. But it’s definitely a “bubble.”

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    2. So very interesting reading comments about the same exact issues I am dealing with being Agnostic in the south. I am originally from NY and being raised Catholic I have received the sacraments and understand the reason behind them. However, delving into religion via the Bible, one finds that the different analogies and perspectives of this book creates more division than any other written work has ever done. How can that be a positive presence in our world?

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  2. Being as vocal as I feel I need to be about my faith is something I’ve been working with myself over the past few years. I think back on a lot of missed opportunities in the past and make some resolve to do better. You hit it right on the head, just “looking” like a Christian isn’t enough. People look at the world and they see enough people looking like Christians but not acting like them (not saying you weren’t acting like one but you see my point here). They are searching for the genuine article; the real deal. Those whose faith is spurned from something real that affected their lives. This is what we can share with others. Now, being from Alabama, I get a look at more of an expected relationship or another with Christianity, but there are many other places (New York too maybe?) that it’s not quite as common place. Even more reason to aspire to be a light to the world. Jesus asked his disciples to go and tell the nations about him. We have to say something. Keep at it and you will see the power and conviction of God working through you. It’s always humbling to be part of God’s plan.
    I also loved the additional musical nerd use of “Leapin Lizzards”. I saw what you did there.

    -Mitch

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    1. Hey Mitch! You’re right. i think at the end of the day, i think people really are looking for the real deal. You’re right. “Go and make disciples.” I think that’s a pretty clear message. haha yes!!! so glad you caught that one 😉 i was hoping someone would 🙂 heheh hope you’re having a great week so far! hugs xox

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  3. Your life is your message and its coming across loud and clear both in a Christian way and in a life way. If others dont choose to hear it they are blind and shouting wont do any good. Prayer helps.

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    1. Thank you Lloyd. THat’s kind of you to say. You’re right – shouting usually doesn’t get the message across. especially not to someone who doesn’t want to hear it. i think living your faith is the most powerful example. What’s the quote about a river cutting through stone because of gentle persistence? i think that’s what our actions do 🙂 thanks for all your reading and reflections this morning! hugs xo

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    2. What if you are a happy, caring and good person. Your main focus in life is to help others and do what you can to live a simple and fulfilling life with no complaints. BUT….you believe this is a state of mind that only you can achieve….not from prayer..but from hard work and positive energy.

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  4. If I were a rich man I would make the hills be alive with the sound of music for Him. But I gotta keep coolly cool boy and even though I’d like to see the rain in spain fall on the plain I know I’d just be singing in the rain to argue about Him.
    Seriously though, you can’t argue with deniers you can only act as an example and wait for them to ask where you get your joy (other than from musical theater…. 🙂

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    2. It is unfortunate that those with faith think that those without are unhappy. I will not argue with anyone’s right to believe in a higher power because there is no way i can prove it to be true or false. I lean on the false side, but am always open to listening to what others have to say about their facts and knowledge regarding their religion. I get my joy from my family, friends, pets, and everything around me…..to include musical theater. 🙂

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      1. Absolutely, I wasn’t trying to imply that without God there is no joy. Only that it’s better to be an example of the happiness that loving God can bring and than to try to argue or force religion on someone.

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  5. Great post, as always. What you describe sounds in a lot of ways to be an accurate description of our society being politically correct. We all do it. Being labeled as religious in some aspects of society has begun to take on the same nuances as being labeled unenlightened or non-modern. I’ve never taken this view, because I believe faith is the most enlightened view one can have. I’ve always felt that being secular was rather arrogant because it postulated I knew more than God, and therefore didn’t need Him. My truth is that I’ve always needed a loving Heavenly Father to listen to me, to guide me, and to comfort me in the hard times. I don’t believe religion is dead. My faith brightens my life and gives me hope, which is not a bad way to go.

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  6. Wow. This is the first post I have read of yours, and it was beautifully written. (and I am a big musical theater nerd myself) Sounds like you had a Kairos moment there! It is difficult to have those kinds of conversations. I will be curious to know more about where he is coming from with that statement. What does he mean by religion? Organized religion? There are people even within the church that would agree there. But God is still present and alive. Maybe he is searching by having those kinds of conversations. Looks like God has put you in an amazing place to speak to others about his love, hope, peace and renewed life!

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    1. Hi Katy! Oh wow, thank you so much 🙂 You’re right, I hadn’t thought about that, but maybe that guy was really hungry for that type of meaningful conversation and was curious. Definitely something to think about for the future. Thanks for your kind encouragement! so glad you stopped by! hugs and love xox

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  7. Don’t be discouraged. Just because someone does not believe, died not make the truth non existent.

    My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me – John 10:27

    Your walk is your own. Out they have a walk, the Holy Spirit will work in them at some point so that they hear.

    But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. – Romans 8:11

    But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved) – Ephesians 2:4‭-5

    Rest in His Grace. Fret not about the troubles of the world. Christianity is not dead because Christ is risen, whether the world believes it or not.

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    1. Hi Nathan! thank you so much for this great perspective. so true. Christ is risen – not dead. and that is where our hope and joy rests. and thanks for passing along those powerful verses. a lot of food for thought here. big hugs xox

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  9. I would agree with him. Religion is dead, but Jesus isn’t. Actually, He came to announce the end of religion. Unfortunately, we didn’t get the memo. 🙂 Don’t mean to be clever, but the reason people reject “Christianity” is that it hasn’t looked much like Jesus. Gandhi once said, “I like your Christ, but I don’t like your Christians.” Now, that’s a problem! But, good news, what I think is actually happening is Christianity is currently in a “molting” process (shedding its old skin) and, hopefully, becoming more like Jesus.

    There’s a good book by Brian McLaren about this titled, “The Great Migration.”

    Btw, I agree with other comments. Just be you, unafraid, unapologetic about your faith, but also considerate and graceful to those who don’t share your views. In that regard, you’re doing great! Francis of Assisi said, “Preach the gospel at all times, and when necessary use words.”
    Blessings.
    Loved the theater references, too!

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    1. Hey Mel! thanks so much for sharing this. some powerful food for thought here. you’re right – Jesus is definitely not dead. That’s what we need to be living out. I’ll definitely have to check out that book. And yes! i love that quote! Our actions definitely should do the “preaching”! hugs xox

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  10. Religion: A specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: eg: Christian religion, Buddhist religion etc.

    This isn’t only a New York problem, I’ve been hearing this a lot where I live also, and I’m not in the USA. Nobody wants to hear about God, religion, christianity etc. God said that the end of time would be like the days of Noah. No one wanted to hear or believe what Noah had to preach…..if we are not there yet, I believe we must be pretty close, and just like in the days of Noah, more will be lost than will be saved……Great post!!

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    1. Hi there! Thank you so much for this reflection! Yeah this I think is a pretty widespread issue. Pretty scary to think that we’re living in the end times but you know what, that might not be so far fetched. Thanks for stopping by! Big hugs xox

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  11. I got all your theater references. (Hi-five, backstage, behind the curtain, with the hand that isn’t smeared with make-up on the fingertips.)

    I’m curious about the “organized hope.” That’s a great phrase. I could agree with your friend if he was saying that “organized hope is dead” because HOW can we possibly try to organize the lavishly over-abounding hope we have in Christ? You can’t organize that. But I can see how religion ends up taming it down. Too bad it’s all so interwoven.

    On a personal note, I’ve been to the Brooklyn Tabernacle–just to receive prayer–and that experience was full of hope.

    I’m guessing that your friend might be looking for hope that feels alive. I know it’s hard to talk sometimes (I’m a better spontaneous listener than spontaneous speaker), but you may be the link he needs to finding the unhindered hope. I’m reminded that we don’t have to “preach” in order to speak.

    Peace
    Dave

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    1. Hey Dave! Woo! Yay musical theater references!! Hehe I’ve never been to the BK tabernacle but it sounds awesome. I’ll have to check it out on a free weekend! But you’re right- I think he was perhaps looking to talk about something meaningful. Maybe he was looking for someone to challenge that and give him some answers. Lots of food for thought. So glad you stopped by! Hugs and love xox

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      1. Answers… maybe, sure. I recently took my son to a healing service because I wanted him to experience “looking for hope.” Sometimes we hesitate from going places with our friends because we can’t predict what will happen. But if we can find a place that regularly provides hope, we’ll feel it too.

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  12. “If I speak, I am condemned.
    If I stay silent, I am damned!”
    ― Victor Hugo

    I worked for some time in the middle east on a project, before leaving my sisters asked me if i was nervous, never having been there.
    I paused and thought yes I am, but my shadow is the same in that sunlight as it is here, I am no different, just my location is new.

    Great awareness on your part. I would say let your light shine, let that be what draws them to you, and within your strength of what you believe, is how you will make your message clear.

    Respecting their space and opinions does not make you a bad Christian, just a great human and friend.
    Seems pretty clear, you don’t get lost in spin of the room during those conversations.
    Good on you.
    Peace.

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    1. Wow there couldn’t be more truth in that quote! Thanks for sharing that. That’s beautiful about your shadow. Lots of great food for thought. Thanks for stopping by and for your encouragement! Hugs and love xox

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  14. Great food for thought in your post, again, again, again. So often, in situations like you were in, the enemy of our soul attempts to pour guilt on us because we didn’t speak out, or at times because we did speak, and what we said.
    This could all work in a positive way, in a couple different situations. One of your friends, perhaps you may even meet the questioner again, may ask your thoughts on that discussion. Since your life reflects the Light of the world, interest does get piqued.
    Secondly, Holy Spirit will work in you and through you, from this experience, what you have learned and thought of since then. Some thoughts you had after the fact, when your mind was twirling, will be perfect for another encounter, while they didn’t quite fit this previous one.
    Anyhow, all that to say this–your Christ-like life shines through your written words, as I am sure they are in daily life and speech also. Luv. George

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    1. Thank your so much George. That is such a kind thing to say. I really appreciate your encouragement. You’re right, after that encounter, I definitely feel more prepared should the opportunity arise again. I will just need to pray for the words. Thanks for stopping by! Hugs and love xox

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  15. You are absolutely correct! Religion is not “dead!” Far from it actually, because it would be very difficult to have a relationship with Jesus if He were dead. Your friend (?) is not inherently wrong about religion being “organized faith,” however he is not looking as broadly as he ought to. The religious hope for salvation, as the sick hope for healing, as the poor hope for sustenance, as the stadium of fanatics hope that their team does well, as the lost hope to be found, as those in captivity hope to be freed, as the scientists hope for understanding. I’m not sure where this person lies in their walk in life, but there are things they hope for. It is without a doubt a system built into the framework of the mind, the soul. Even the most pessimistic of people have some glimmer of hope in them, albeit not evident.

    While I do not share a similar perspective with you and your New Yorker friends, as I find myself in the middle of Bible Belt, I do see this as a widespread perspective held by people across the nation. Religion, is seen as backwater, as outdated, as manipulative, controlling, a system of regimented order. While there is some ground for reason in this logical assumption it is not widespread. I’m not going to push too deeply into politics, but what truly exerts more control and systematic order? Religion or Laws? I know of only two ‘rules’ if you will in the Christian faith. Love God, and love others as yourself. IF we love God, we will obey His commandments. In doing so, we will love others as ourselves. Yet this is where I must leave this tangent.

    I do a see a fundamental issue within the Church. Laziness. We have people who flock to church or mass on Sunday (or whichever day is chosen), to ‘check off’ that they have done something good. They do not want to think about the nature of the relationship between the Church and Society. They do not want to ponder the nature of God, or the inerrancy of Scripture. On the other hand, we have religious schools filled with intellectual scholars of all things religion who do not want to go out and share the gospel with the nations! I must admit that this is not indicative of all people, or all congregations, but it is a generalization of the Church as a whole. The Church has decided that going out and following through on the Great Commission as being optional. This is in stark opposition from the two commands God gave us. Love God, and love others. If we truly loved others as we loved ourselves, then we would share with them. We would tell them of the good news, of the hope found in Christ! I think about those who came into contact with Christ as He walked on this Earth carrying out His ministry. Look at Mark 5 and how people hoped for something, and how Christ responded, then look at how the people responded! If we truly, honestly have had an encounter with Christ that has led to a radical change within our lives, then we ought to freely and willingly go out to tell the nations of what Christ has done! To tell all people who Christ is!

    Sharing our faith with others is, admittedly, nerve racking. It is scary. We never know how the encounter will go, what opposition we might face, what objections they may have. Yet the Church MUST go out and boldly share the message that is found in Christ. To share of the good news! To share the hope that is found in Christ. As I previously said, everybody hopes for something. What separates the religions from the secular, is where we place our hope. Particularly Christians, from which is the only perspective that I can fully place myself, but their faith elsewhere. It is not easily seen, nor is it easily understood, but the hope that Christians hold is not hidden! While some place their hope in money, in success, in their sexual prowess, in their bodies, in the health, in their jobs, or in their friends, but Christians have placed their hope in Heaven.

    While you are not responsible for your friend’s (?) perspective, you have an opportunity before you to share the hope that is only found in Christ, and to share the joy that is only found in His sacrifice and His resurrection! I want to encourage you to continue to be bold in sharing your faith with others, and to know that our God is sovereign! He is in control of all things! You cannot, no matter how much you may try, hinder the Kingdom of Heaven! God will continue to send His Spirit out into the world, stirring in the hearts of His people to bring them back toward Himself. In being faithful in following Christ, you may not be comfortable. Things may be tense, or unpleasant. It may be difficult, but God’s provision abounds. Mercy abounds! I am not throwing away my shot at sharing with others, testifying of God’s mercy, grace, and love upon my life. Perhaps, in dreaming a dream of time gone by, we may see the people of the nations singing. Not a song of angry men, but a song of repentance. Ultimately this starts with you and I and all those who call themselves Christians. Those of us sitting in the pews every week, hearing of what God has done for us and the rest of creation. But instead of hearing, we ought to listen, and apply what we have heard. May we increase in boldness! May we ask the Lord to send His Spirit out into the land before us. May we ask for more opportunities to share our faith with others. While God does not need us to do His work for Him, yet He has chosen us as a means by which to spread the good news of the hope found in Christ.

    I personally love to use this method of sharing the gospel with others when the opportunity arrises: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkpJ7d002bM. I do hope that you have more opportunities to share with others, and want to encourage you to adopt prayer walking into your normal routine. Pray for the city of New York, pray for the state, pray for the nation, pray for the world. Ask God for boldness, ask God for the words to speak, ask God for the direction to head toward. I’ll step off of my soapbox that has metaphorically appeared under my feet.

    Also, major props for the Les Mis usage!

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    1. Hi there! Thank you so much for this thoughtful reflection. Amen to that! Love God and love others as yourself. Those are absolutely the keys. You do those and then everything else falls into place. And you’re right-I definitely need to work on laziness! Oooh boy do I ever! And thanks for passing along the clip! I look forward to checking it out. Thanks for stopping by! Hugs and love xox

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    2. I would proffer a slightly different/additional perspective. My last girlfriend, bless her, summed it up better than I ever had heard…”Love God. Don’t be a schmuck” She had it pretty succinctly stated.
      I think my concern/opinion is that too much of the church has devolved into a Pharisee approach of following rules,and excluding grace, which does nothing (IMHO) to fulfill either of the requirements. IT has focused on single issues, or filled lives with rules and policies and stuff that drives people away and doesn’t show them the love of God or of the church. And the rules have become what many worship, following them almost as religiously as the Law and the Prophets. And the Joy of the Lord…..is totally absent from their lives.

      Just another perspective 🙂 But a well written response on your part

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      1. Absolutely! We should most certainly no be “schmuck[s]!” I have tried my best to distinguish between the Church, the bride of Christ, and the church, or the local congregation. While the focus on singular issues or concerns is not inherently negative, it can easily move into a habit which shifts into new forms. Now, let us be truthful with ourselves, structure and order is good. Rules and policies are good. The Bible is full of order, the universe is filled with ordered structure. Let us not hinder ourselves by moving toward a relative or post-modern perspective, but let us also not be like the Pharisees who took the order to the extreme.

        I appreciate your perspective and openly welcome it. The way we understand something is by discussing it with others. This is the same with the Scriptures, in as so long that we approach it appropriately with the proper context, meaning, and purpose as is found in the text. This also means that we should have some understanding of what the ‘secular’ world is saying about the Church, God, and Christianity. Being informed is the only way that we the Church can address the objections and concerns and misconceptions the world has toward it. Now, by no means am I suggesting that the Church move to be more relevant or politically correct as it will never be relevant, we must lovingly and appropriately address their concerns.

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  16. Religion, through the influential energy of the ophidian spirit, was initiated by the Eden Woman when she pronounced the addendum of the infamy of Genesis 3:3, “….neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die”. It’s on that very day religion died. As voluminous as God’s corpus of revelation, the Bible (His protocol) is concerned the word ‘religion’ does not appear for more than six times and once of its inflection, ‘religious’. The scriptural anomaly, “neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die”, is the birth of superstition. The condemnation of and curse on the serpentine intrusion is its suspended death.
    The first time religion appears in scripture is in Acts 26 (also in James 1:26, 27 & Colossians 2:18 -as ‘worshipping’) it’s the Greek thrēskeia (thrace-ki’-ah): ‘ceremonial observance, religious worship especially external, that which consists of ceremonies, religious discipline’.
    In James 1:26 ‘religious’ is threskos (thrace`-kos): ‘ceremonious in worship (as demonstrative) i.e. pious; it’s probably comes from throeo (thro-eh’-o) ‘to clamor; (by implication) to frighten’. In the Book of Galatians 1:13, 14 the Ioudaismos (ee-ou-dah-is”-mos’) is the Greek for ‘religious’, meaning: “Judaism”, i.e. the Jewish faith and usages. Religion, (man’s own way of going to God), cannot last the test of time. “God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth”, Jesus taught in John 4:24. If Christianity is what the guys are beefing about, that can’t die. Christianity is the way of life, not a religion. BBB, you shouldn’t have let them go without giving them a taste of Jesus.
    Call me a bigot, I don’t care a hoot, if you find me guilty of not tolerating religious syncretism. It’s Jesus, Jesus and nothing but Jesus! Christianity has not failed man. God has not, will never fail us. HE has a calendar. America should pray hard, send an s.o.s. to the Saviour like the Israelites did of old. Did the American settlers of the eighteenth century not call upon the name of the LORD (Genesis 4:26)? Did I indict you for not showing them Jesus, bbb? I love you all the same! Keep the good work going!

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    1. Thank you for this. I appreciate your call to action! I agree – God has not and will not fail us. And we must must must pray hard for our country and its leaders. Thanks for stopping by! Hugs and love xox

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      1. Exactly so. Non-believers do not share the glorious initiation that makes us God’s property. We know the truth that has set us free. Religion of Satan is a spiritual opium.

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      2. It is a way of life for the agnostic also Give positive energy to others and you attract positive energy to you. We just give credit to the people around us for making our lives happy and wonderful. I like to think it is up to us to take full responsibility for all the good and bad that happens in our lives and appreciate when things are going well and accept the balance when things are not going well. Makes for a really happy existence!

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  18. I truly believe prayer for this individual would be very effective. The neat thing is God see’s all and hears all. So he heard him say religion is dead the other night. So my place would to become a intercessor for this gentleman . This is what God is waiting to see. Are we as his children grieved by his statement. I assure you the Holy Spirit was. The deal is Jesus loves him as much as he loves you and me. He is either lost to God or spewing things out of his mouth he doesn’t really believe in order to get attention maybe. Usually across the table conversations in a bar about politics and religion don’t go very far in making any sense . Still being a person that would intercede for him is a good response .
    How to and when to respond to someone about christianity ,is where a life lived closely with the Lord gives us the edge. We pray for decrement and wisdom also clarity to see what is going down around us. Jesus in his loving way responds by giving us these abilities when we live right and follow him.

    In closing I would say you used all those gifts and responded appropriately. However there is times we certainly need to be bolder and more aggressive in our responce. I enjoyed your story and your thoughts and questions. Regardless where we live God is in us and will work through us. Even when it feels uncomfortable and odd.

    Blessings to you and God speed

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    1. Thank you so much for this reflection. You’re right, pray is always powerful. And we should especially pray for those seeking answers and information. Lots of great food for thought here. Thanks for the encouragement! Hope you’re having a great evening. Hugs and love xox

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  19. I think feeling like you want to speak up is a good start. It can be difficult to figure out how to insert yourself into those discussions, can’t it? At times like that, I pray that the Holy Spirit will give me the right words.

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    1. Hi Rose Marie! Thank you so much for this. So difficult! You don’t want to be overbearing or say something to offend the other person. You’re right. Praying for the Holy Spirit’s guidance is the only way. Hugs and love xox

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  20. I believe this is a common dilemma for people of faith. You are not alone sister in trying to understand when to speak and to share faith and when to allow faith to speak on its own. Perhaps God was opening a door for you to walk through later.

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  21. I Always feel like u cant win a discussion on religion bcos ppl against it always have their comeback. Like they’ve prepared themselves for war..but what i believe u could do is give a testimony. A way Gods helped u, a way u could have died but God saved u, a way where if it wasnt for God u would have had no hope..! If it dsnt resonate with them in that instance, trust me one day it will come back to them, perhaps when they need hope..! Its like a seed..

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  22. Great post. Unbelief in God is everywhere in the UK also. As true Christians it’s our job to proclaim the gospel and help people to believe. The ‘faith is dead’ person you encountered in your day, I feel you did the right thing. Sometimes the more you try the more they say ‘faith is dead’. Jesus will guide you I’m sure. God bless.

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  23. You know what? I used to be one of those that railed against religion. I was what they call and anti-theist. I thought that all religion was plague on society and damaging to all. Why do people like your friend, like me, say obnoxious things like that? Because, consciously or not, they hope that some of it will sink into people like you and make you doubt your faith, simply put.

    I refer to that time as being an “angry atheist”. I was severely damaged from being trapped in a cult for 5 years: a christian based cult.

    Then I got into AA and had a transformative experience in the process of developing a higher power, of my own understanding. Religion may, in fact, be dying. That is not a bad thing in my opinion. It’s spirituality that is growing and that is a far better thing. Spirituality creates growth, humility, compassion, and a willingness to help others as well as oneself while walking in faith.

    I would advise to not bother sharing any of this with your friends. You will only become the enemy and target for ridicule. People must follow their own path even if it is atheism, secularism, etc. By the way, I know many people who live secular lives and are happy “and nice”.

    Your life example is a bigger testament that anything you can say. I am not a christian but I walk with God, an undefinable loving, caring presence that carries me through the day. He humbles me, right sizing me, but also lovingly helps me… all toward good so that I may help the next person along. I don’t talk spirituality with people, outside of my meetings, unless they bring it up or are open to reflections, and then I only talk about it in relation to the changes in my life. How I live is a reflection on God. Nothing I can say will ever change anyones mind or conceptions. period. Either God comes into their lives or he doesn’t, period. It’s not my place or my responsibility. To think I can convert anyone is arrogant on my part. I can, however, offer suggestions if they are asking questions.

    I was seeking something different in my life in order to find recovery. The person helping me suggested I simply get on my knees in the morning and say “thank you” (to whatever), and then observe the day. Do an experiment of sorts. I eventually couldn’t deny that my life got better. I am no longer alone. No one witnessed to me, no one preached faith to me. I saw peoples lives change, I saw something in their eyes. I wanted that, I yearned for that peace. But I didn’t even see that part of it until I was ready.

    Does any of this make sense? I hope so. Ultimately you have to decide what you want to do. It’s really between you and God. We can comment and say whatever we did, i.e., our experience, strength and hope, but in the end, it is your decision.

    I wish you well on your journey.

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    1. Hi Lexy, thank you so much for sharing this an for sharing your journey. I am so happy for you that you’ve embraced recovery and are living a full and abundant life and that you found that peace with God. There’s a lot of powerful truth here. People have to come to believe on their own terms. Living by example is the most powerful form of witness. Big hugs to you friend xox

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    2. This makes perfect sense to me, as it should because I found spirituality through 12-Step recovery. Religion took another ten years to show up in a form I could use, and “organized” religion is still not for me. I have no quarrel with anyone’s beliefs or their way of living them out (so long nobody tries to impose theirs on me), but I have seen too much human failure associated with mixing trust of individuals with either personal authority over others or money. Your God may be perfect, but people are still subject to the usual failings.

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  24. Ah I miss those youthful, highly opinionated debates! I wouldn’t put too much stock in what people say in a bar. 🙂 Christians on the news say that religion is under attack and secularists say that there’s too much religion in the governments. Neither side is correct, of course. The truth is always a grey area. I don’t see why it matters. If you’re Christian, be a Christian. Who cares if the rest of the world isn’t?

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  25. I have been doing prayer and meditation a lot over the past year. Yea I pray and have that time with God but sometimes I don’t take time to listen. So that’s what I have been doing listening more and WOW the things God has opened up to me are awesome. Thats the reason I haven’t posted much trying to hear what God has for me. I do know people with that attitude I deal with them weekly and it is sad the way they think even when we are doing our best to let God shine through. So have prayer and meditation and listen to what God tells you. Remember you are God’s special one. Thanks for sharing.

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  26. I’m certainly not the best one to talk about whether religion is dead or not. I have known many who use “religion” for their own selfish purposes, and that deception makes their “religion” dead to me.

    But to me there’s a difference between religion and faith. I mean, politics can be my religion is that’s all I focus on and learn about and spend my time delving deeply into it. My Dad would religiously beat me every day and I believe beating me was his religion because that was what he focused on and delved into every single day until he died.

    But faith is different. Faith, to me, means there’s hope beyond the religion. There’s more! There’s got to be! That’s the faith I have right now and want it to grow.

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    1. Hi Timere. Thank you so much for this perspective. I’m so glad you have that hope. It’s a truly beautiful thing. And you’re right-everyone’s journey with God is personal. I appreciate you stopping by! Hugs and love xox

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  27. Reading this, I am reminded of an incident with Flannery O’Connor that she relates in “The Habit of Being.” She was at a small dinner (just a few people) which was followed by conversation the whole night. She hadn’t said anything because there wasn’t anything for her to say “in such company.” Toward morning when the conversation turned toward the Eucharist, someone asserted that it was just a symbol. Flannery O’Connor “said, in a very shaky voice, ‘Well, if it’s a symbol, to hell with it.'” That was her sole contribution the entire night and a brilliant contribution it was. Concerning that contribution she said, “That was all the defense I was capable of but I realize now that this is all I will ever be able to say about it, outside of a story, except that it is the center of existence for me; all the rest of life is expendable.”

    God bless you, Caralyn, and thank you for all your wonderful posts.

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  28. God Bless you now and everyday! Yes, its hard to be around people who condemn either Religion itself, or as I have been in, groups that condemn my particular practice of Religion, which is the same as yours; Catholic. I am not a religious pusher or show it out like many people do. I don’t take literally that we have to go around and save others the way some of the more Pentecostal or other sects do “Bible Pushers” as I called them in college. Its hard I know, when you are in such a crowd. I don’t condemn them. I do pray for them. I just don’t put my presence among them very often either. I love your photo at the top of this article!! Stay YOU Stay what YOU believe. Stay BEAUTIFUL in your heart you mind your faith, and what YOU believe! Stay beautiful as you are on the outside too!! xoxo

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    1. Hey friend! I think praying for them is such a powerful thing. Because you’re right-forcing your beliefs on someone just makes it seem uninviting. Living in live and showing by example is a much for attractive way:) thanks so much for your encouragement. Big big hugs xox

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  29. You may not feel like this applies to you, but I’ll give you some Islamic advice – from a religious brother to a religious sister: our duty is to convey, not convince. Tell them, show them your message, but don’t beat anyone over the head with it. The situation you described (a debate without an audience) would most likely have been nothing more than an opportunity to figuratively bruise your friends’ heads. Trying to “win” and “refute” does more spiritual damage to the “victor,” and possibly has more negative repercussions, than are readily apparent.

    We may not share religion, but we share faith, and it’s encouraging to see your sort of Christian doing well in my homeland. Keep it up 😊

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    1. Hi Abu! Thank you for this powerful perspective. That’s very true. Beating someone over the head with anything will never solve anything. We’ve got to show them through the way we live our lives. Yes! So glad you stopped by! How beautiful to come together in faith:) Hugs and love xox

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  30. To not believe in God you still have to agree there is a God to not believe in. Most Atheists groan over ritual practice but can agree on the moral philosophy of religion. Don’t kill, Don’t steal, only sleep with your wife these are pretty good principles that true Atheists don’t have to believe in. That’s fine, because hearts hear what they want to hear and that’s where your strength comes from. It takes a lot of strength to remain silent against those that tear you down. Speak love to those who will listen.

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      1. I try. 😀 I agree, love gives way like streams move mountains. The stream like faith can affect so much life, you are a stream.

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    2. I am agnostic because I do not know if there is a higher power. I am a logical and moral person, not because of God or the Bible, but because I believe that when you give positive energy and happiness to the world, you will get it back. In situations where conflict is uncomfortable, my best response is “If your beliefs leave you content and a better person, then keep believing and spreading that happy energy.”

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      1. I agree with you. My take on the Bible is a guide for understanding life. The Bible is so old that anything after seems allegorical. Not to say one way is better than the other. I can respect you and your way without compromising my own. I can also, see similarities in New Age ideas that are supposed to transcend the “hopeless limitations” of current state religions but, are just as conflicted and religious in themselves. True belief does not require money. It is a happy conflict one that does require much participation between one that believes and one that does not believe. Even belief itself is a happy conflict because that’s why we’re here to always ask because we never know. We can only have faith that answers appear without harming ourself or others. That is my religion.

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  31. Hi Caralyn….As might be obvious from a partial comment above, I’d suggest not being too hard on yourself. There is a LOT to be gained with learning from it, but not beating yourself up over it. I’d suggest using it just as an opportunity to decide why you didn’t enter the discussion — lack of relationship depth, caught off guard, concern that by speaking up while being there might be viewed as hypocritical (which I would say isn’t the case, but that’s me) or some other reason. Figure that out, learn from it, and move along to know what you would say in another setting if this comes up again.
    And you never know who is watching your life and your blog and is seeing God’s love and your relationship with Him played out, and starting them to ask, to journey.
    go girl 🙂

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    1. Thank Jeff. This really means a lot. Yeah, there were definitely a lot of reasons at play as to why I didn’t speak up, but yeah one of the main ones is that I had just met the colleague! Haha but yeah this definitely was a trial run for next time the opportunity presents itself. And that’s very true. Thanks for saying that:) God is good and He can use even the most broken of vessels to do His work! Big hugs xox

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  32. We attended church for the first time together as a family this past weekend and it was such an enlightening experience. My kids are not unaware of religion, and they have always had questions. It was so heart warming to be able to take them and to see them singing along and speaking to people they had never met before. On their very first visit. It’s as if we had been drawn to it after all these years. But like they say, there is no such thing as coincidence, just God working in mysterious ways.

    It’s such a freeing experience to be able to believe in something bigger than yourself.

    Keep doing what you are doing. You are spreading His word through your blog. Which is loved and shared by many.

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    1. Hi there! Thank you so much for sharing this. What a beautiful experience. You’re right, there is freedom in faith. I think there’s a misconception that it’s the opposite…that you become bogged down with rules and strict “commandments” but the truth is, it just leads to freedom. I’m so glad your family experienced that together. Thanks for stopping by! hugs xo

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  33. This is the tough one. Or as Yoda puts it, “Real the struggle is.”

    You’re right that our collective silence is problematic. Equally problematic though, is some of the noise that Christians of some faith traditions put out.

    Where’s the balance? I’ve no idea.

    Okay, that’s not true. I have lots of ideas.

    You’ve got a huge audience with Beauty Beyond Bones and your witness there is pretty strong and crystal clear about your faith. Not in a bombastic declaration but as an integrated part of your life, your recovery, and the world around you. Or so it would appear from your writings. (I’ve waited a long time to use the phrase bombastic declaration!)

    The old model of faith (and current model in many contexts) was Believe, Behave, Belong. Believe correctly, behave properly, and then we’ll ask you to belong. I think a better approach is Belong, Behave, Believe, where we invite people into our lives (Belong) and then by our Behavior they’ll want to know what we Believe. THEN we can have some great discussions!

    It’s not quite that linear but you get the idea. I’m not sure anyone has ever been convinced of too much by the bold frontal proclamation of anything. But people we have an actual relationship with, an actual connection with, can certainly see things differently based on how we live our lives as people of faith.

    Thanks for your witness and encouragement!
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    1. Hi Lance! Real the struggle is indeed. Thanks for this perspective. The balance is definitely hard to decipher in this one. Haha and I love that: bombastic declaration! Woo! I like your three B’s. Thanks for sharing this. Hugs and love xox

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  34. You raise and interesting question. “Religion is dead in America” is obviously not an empirically accurate statement. Even “Religion is dead in New York” would not be accurate since you were sitting right there and you are a religious person.

    But there must be some reason why this person is saying this. Does he really believe his statement? If so, why? I find that a lot of times it is helpful to ask a person to explain what he means. Sometimes it is possible to have a conversation.

    If a conversation is not possible. Then sometimes a very short statement is worthwhile, like, “Personally, I don’t think religion is dead because, I am religious.” Or even, for you personally, you might say. “I can’t speak for religion at large. But personally, I believe in God, and even more, I believe that it is because I believe in God that I am still alive.”

    Thanks for challenging me to think.

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    1. Hi Alex! Thanks for this. Lots of great food for thought here. Yeah those simple statements offer a powerful counter argument without a lot of snarl if that makes sense:) something to remember for next time. Hugs and love xox

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  35. Unfortunately, yes. I wish I could share my easy button, or even my simple button, with you. I seem to have misplaced it. I stopped talking as much because I felt I was so bad at living it, and now it’s so hard to be vocal; perhaps it’s because I’m afraid I’ll come across as a hypocrite? I just don’t know, but I know how you feel. Thanks for sharing 🙂

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  36. I have a lot of experience with this because my sons are atheists. Me! Atheist sons! Lol!!!!

    The best approach, when outrageous and denigrating things are said, is to simply ask (with a genuinely curious and concerned tone of voice) “Really? Why do you say that?” And then to say “Oh. But that’s not how I experience it…” and fill in with your positive experience of religion. So when told that religious people are against science, we might say “Well, I find that my friends are really curious about the great gift of this creation, and do their best to understand it.”

    It’s also the case that much of the negativity attached to religion is attached to all of our institutions at this point. So when they say something irrefutably true about religion (such as the money-grubbing of pastors that preach the “gospel of wealth”), we can ask “What institution doesn’t that apply to?” or “Is that unique to religion?” Institutions collect power, and every institutional form (religion, government, corporations, even families, for heaven’s sake) has been coopted by people that want that power for themselves.

    We’ve also had some comments here about “spirituality” vs. “religion.” I did a “Hope or Hoax” post on this a while back. I tried to end it on a positive note.

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    1. One more thing – and I apologize for the shameless plug: If they actually know something about scripture and attack its validity by cherry-picking from Deuteronomy or Leviticus, tell them to read The Soul Comes First.

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    2. Hi Brian, thank you for sharing this part of your story. That’s a really great way to engage someone without being overbearing or aggressive. Lots of good food for thought here. I’ll have to check out your hope vs hoax post. Sounds really interesting! Hugs and love xox

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  37. That was an awesome read. Speaking up is definitely something I need to work on myself. I’ve never been one for confrontation, but when it’s something as important as my faith I think I need to make a change.

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  38. I myself am an ambivalent fence sitter.

    There are forces that defy logic and some logic that defies forces.

    Therefore am inclined to inquire when someone makes a declarative that needs questioning, if not for them, for me.

    A rebuttal opinion, usually puts said on the defensive. Then, in my experience gets you nowhere. Either in conveying your experiences as a better way that you wish to share of yourself and your understanding.

    Anyway, great blog.

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  39. The best way to show Christ is to live it as He would. Sometimes arguing isn’t the answer. People like that can be VERY closed minded and will just continue to argue just to prove you wrong. I know plenty like that. We can’t argue with people to change their mind. I think had they asked your opinion in the matter, you could have put in your thoughts and leave it be. Sometimes it’s best to stay on the sideline when you know you’ll be talking to a brick wall. But you’re right, I think in other cases, we could all be a bit more vocal about God. Which is why every morning before we leave our home, we ask God to gives us the strength, wisdom and courage to be His soldiers and to speak for Him when He needs us to. I’m sure when it’s time, He’ll nudge us to do so. 🙂

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  40. St. Francis of Assisi said, “Preach the Gospels always and when necessary use words.” (You need to get his book.)

    I think the greatest thing we can do is be as Christ-like as we can be, in our daily lives. “Words” are not always the best thing. Pick your battles. There are times we are called to “defend” and times we are not. St. Peter said something like this, “When called to defend, be ready.” Now he did not say “not to defend,” he said, “when we are called or placed on the defense.”

    There were many who came against Christ and a lot of the times He said nothing and let them go. There were times He did not. We have to let the Holy Spirit guide us on when to speak and when not to. If one knows all it is going to lead to is an argument which leads to nothing, that is the time to stay silent.

    I will usually wait until someone ask me. I will give to them how I believe and why, then it is up to them and God from that point on. Being Catholic I would be arguing many hours daily if I joined in on every conversation such as this. I do not have the time for it.

    I believe the words of St. Francis and how we live our lives, are actually our best defense. Love you and God Bless, SR

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  41. St. Francis of Assisi said, “Preach the Gospels always and when necessary use words.”

    Honestly, this is the worst advice anyone has ever given a follower of Christ. If the disciples took it after Jesus’ ascension there would be no Christianity. Instead they went out and told everyone they could everywhere they could about Jesus. Why? Because He saved them and He told them to tell others!

    If you look at the life of Paul, he appealed to those who were around to look at his life as evidence of the gospel of Jesus, not as His teaching. He said very clearly Jesus is the Messiah and King to those who wanted to kill Paul for saying that and despite the threat he then lived a life testifying to it – He got up after being stoned almost to death and went back into the same town that stoned him and preached some more. Paul was before Kings who could have killed him and he spoke the Gospel.

    There are plenty of moral, clean living people who don’t know a think about God.

    I know New York says keep it to yourself or just live a clean life and people will pick it up somehow through osmosis – trust me, I justified myself with that for years – that is simply not the message of Jesus though.

    We are called to love a life that is holy – set apart, different from the world around us and testify to Jesus. Honestly, it is a simple question am I living holy set apart and am I testifying to Jesus.

    If i am not, then God’s grace covers all and move forward even more grateful for what He did for us. If kind of, then get rid of the areas that are compromise, and again God’s grace covers. If yes, then praise the Lord.

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      1. Just to add – I am from NY originally and spent many years in the bars and clubs of NYC. It is not impossible I suppose but it is really hard to follow Jesus while also living the party life in the city.

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    2. There are plenty of moral, clean living people that know quite a bit about god…come from New York…and do not have faith in a deity. I made the choice to be responsible for my own destiny, work hard, accept others for their differences, bring happiness to the world every day and appreciate everyone and everything around me. It’s really that simple. I believe that religion doesn’t unite us…but instead divides us; baptist, catholic, lutheran, methodist, jewish, muslim……the list goes on. People refer to me as “Idealistic” because I wish we could all unite under the simple idea of being positive. Makes it sound so negative. I never understood that.

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  45. Just an old guy who reads his bible everyday, Religion might be dead in America, but Trust in God, Faith, I believe is growing. Unfortunately it is dividing our nation into two camps, those with faith and those without. And I believe those without have been too loud for too long. Be strong, be encouraged. Shout back at the faithless and maybe we will change a few minds.
    Shalom

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    1. May I ask why there has to be “two camps?” Since when did it become those with “faith” against those who just want to be happy, positive and live peacefully? I suppose I am in the “bad” camp since I am agnostic. I believe in the power of positivity and that what you give out is what you will get in return.

      I am not sure who has been “too loud for too long ” since I live in the South. Perhaps some examples would be a good way to start so others can see who you are referring to as.the loud “faithless?” Our entire country was based on freedom of religion as expressed below:

      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.” (First Amendment)

      So please enlighten me. I am truly interested in how religion would benefit my life. I am a happily married (20 years) mother of three amazing children with the greatest husband ever! My children live their lives as positive as possible and i am very proud of them. We may not have a lot of possessions or money, but we have each other and that is the most fulfilling thing of all.

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      1. I would like to address a specific part of 1seehund’s comment. I have a “faith” that works for me but is very different from any Christian’s beliefs. If you “shout” at me, the very best response you can hope to see is me walking away. I assure you, you do not want to get into an argument with me.

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      2. My words were meant to encourage believers that have too long been shouted down by non-believers. Your happy as an agnostic and want I should leave you alone, fine then don’t shove your lack of trust in God on me. You quote the First Admendment without understanding. It is so there would be no state sponsored religion that you can be taxed for, not that believers could not express their belief in a political forum. You say you are happy with just your family and are doing okay, praise God! Yet don’t take away my joy in communing with God! You ask what “religion” would help you, the answer is none, religions are created to control people. But your TRUST in GOD, and knowing Jesus as your savior, Loving God above all else, and treating everyone better than equals, that will make your life fantastic. Again the blog was about someone standing up for their faith. I replied to that, my message was to encourage boldness because too long the “moral majority” has been silent. If you feel you are in the non believing camp sorry, but you don’t get to shout believers down anymore.

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      3. As another non-Christian, I want to question the term “shouted down” on both sides of this discussion. Certainly I have been criticized and experienced a great deal of condescension from Christians, but “shouted down” is much too strong a term for anything I have heard in any discussion of religion. Am I just lucky/blessed or have I done something right? I suspect that what I am is content with who and what I am, so that I don’t have to get into shouting matches with anyone.

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      4. I am not sure where I “shoved my lack of trust in God” on you? If anything, being agnostic means that I admit I do not know if there is a god or not. I believe in being positive and happy as much as possible. If believing in god is how you do that, wonderful! I am just trying to stress the importance of unity through diversity.

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  46. As a born and bred New Yorker, I fully agree. Speaking out in defense of our faith is not the same as ramming it down someone’s throat. Scripture puts it this way, “Always be prepared to articulate a defense to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But respond with gentleness and respect…” (1 Peter 3:15).

    As for defending NYC, I did that when Ted Cruz dissed the city. You can find the post “New York Values” at https://alawyersprayers.com/2016/01/17/new-york-values/ in case you’re interested.

    By the way, I love musical theater . You might, also, enjoy “New York: The Novel” by Edward Rutherfurd, if you have not yet read it.

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  47. In a sense, the colleague was correct. I grew up in the 1960s in the United Methodist Church. It was a compassionate place, largely uninvolved in politics, especially the filthy politics we have today. The missionaries were primarily sent to places like Africa and India on humanitarian missions with much less emphasis on proselytizing.

    The past few decades have witnessed an unmistakably ugly tone coming from the Christian community. There is militant proselytizing at home and abroad, vigorous homophobia, support for radical domestic politics, etc. The so-called moderate churches have made little if any visible retort to all of this negativity. By default , they endorse the radical religionists.

    So, while there are plenty of churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, and so forth compassion has taken a back seat to discord and hate. To us non-christians, it looks like the Christian church, as a whole, has abandoned God in favor of the idea of not rocking the boat. God has been thrown out with the bathwater in the zealous efforts to “cleanse” America. If God is alive, “exclusive” spokespersons would not be so quick to embrace human ideas of what God really wants.

    These days, to us outsiders, it looks like Christians are trying very hard to be “good Christians” and not good people.

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    1. Hi there! Thank you so much for this powerful reflection. Sadly I think you’re right…compassion has taken a back seat. But I do have hope. Ultimately God’s goodness will prevail:) so glad you stopped by! Hugs and love xox

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  48. PS: I found this for you Acts 1:8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will BE my WITNESSES in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.
    •• Various forms of the word “witness” occur 42 times in the NIV New Testament. But not one of those 42 occurrences is the expression “to witness”. We are not called “to” witness, but to “be” a witness.

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  49. Well, you hit it on the head when you said “Maybe I need to be a little more outspoken. I always say that I try to show my faith in my actions rather than tell my faith in my words. But perhaps I need to speak up a little bit.” Being a witness is living your faith. Is not, this experience, similar when Peter denied Jesus 3 times? Not a judgement statement, but when we don’t stand up for Jesus, are we having, in a sense, a minor Crisis of Faith, in a small way, maybe? On the flip side, discussing Religion in such a place, while drinking, is probably not the best place to “witness” lol.

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      1. Listen to your heart, you will know when you might be able to be a Witness…then all it takes is digging into your courage to fly…

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